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Qualified Support for Democrats' Assault Rifle Ban Proposal

Local advocacy group Sandy Hook Promise says they "welcome" all proposals, but have not reached consensus on whether to support the legislation.

 

Senate Democrats proposed a bill Thursday that would both military-style assault rifles and high-capacity clips, and local groups have been quick to respond. The legislation is the first congressional response to the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that took the lives of 20 children and six adults.

Dianne Feinstein (D-California) introduced the bill at a press conference surrounded by assault rifles, including AR-15s, according to ABC News.

"I remain horrified by the massacre committed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown," she said, according to ABC News. "I’m also incensed that our weak gun laws allow these mass killings to be carried out again and again and again." 

The bill is in line with proposals President Barack Obama sent to congress last week, which also included enforcing background checks for gun buyers.

U.S. Representative Jim Himes (D-4) was a co-sponsor of the bill.

"It does not take a military-style gun to kill a deer, have fun at the shooting range, or protect your family,” said Himes in a statement his office released Thursday. “This bill strikes an ideal balance between keeping our communities safe and preserving the freedoms of American gun owners. I look forward to working with my colleagues to send this bill to the President’s desk.”

Sandy Hook Promise, the Newtown-based advocacy group started in the wake of the tragedy, offered qualified support -- but said they had not yet come to a consensus on endorsing legislation. The group had "applauded" Obama's proposals last week, but said change could not stop at legislation.

"As we search for solutions to preventing another tragedy like Sandy Hook, we have learned that there are no easy answers," said a release from Sandy Hook Promise co-founder Tim Makris. "We hope that our elected officials will review the wide range of ideas that have been put forward since the tragedy with an open mind and engage in a constructive debate that leads us to a better, safer place.  The one thing we cannot afford is inaction."

Connecticut Sens. Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy also join the coalition to introduce the legislation, according to the New Haven Register.

“This measure is a signature moment in this campaign to help stop gun violence,” said Blumenthal, according to the Register.

Brian Lockenload January 27, 2013 at 03:45 PM
Blumenthal has credibility on this issue because of his combat experience in Vietnam. Oh, sorry about that. He lied about that, and was never there.
Thomas Paine January 27, 2013 at 06:24 PM
Why is it that we continue to try 30+ year old ideas that have never proven to stop a rampage killing? If California-style laws worked, explain the Oikos Univerity massacre. Every parent has an interest in preventing such acts in the future; we differ on what we think will do so. The professional gun control movement uses such opportunities to re-introduce their 30 year ideas that have not stopped such rampage killings thus far. Why do we think it will work now? Feinstien/CAGV "solutions" has been tried at the state level and federal levels and have yet to stop a rampage shooting event from happening nor lessening the resultant carnage. There is no credible evidence to argue otherwise. Yet, these ideas continue to resurface and advocates like Ron at CAGV say, "If we just made these restrictions more strict, they would work." But that ignores that every reliable and independent study looking at the impact of bans has yet to find direct correlation between the bans and a reduction of gun violence, crime or mass shootings. Ron's stats are selectively chosen. I argue that Connecticut, instead of passing anther feel good, "me too" gun ban that tries to one-up NY State, should take the position as THOUGHT LEADER and address the deeper societal issues and put our collective effort into those areas. If Newtown is seen as giving Connecticut a MORAL IMPERATIVE, let it be the COURAGE to say "STOP THE MADNESS" of just another proven ineffectual gun restriction law.
Thomas Paine January 27, 2013 at 06:24 PM
Brian - Your surname is a hoot!
undisclosed2u January 27, 2013 at 10:14 PM
No more violence such as we saw in Newtown. Regarding backing Feinsteins plan: NOOOOOO! She is protected --everyone else is left out!
undisclosed2u January 27, 2013 at 10:17 PM
Excellent observation and comment. Way to go!
PTA Mom January 27, 2013 at 11:13 PM
I look forward to seeing all local politicians back a ban on assault weapons etc. You afraid of the backlash from the NRA? Ha. That's nothing compared to how well organized school mothers are. We want these weapons banned. They will be banned. I think any politician who wants to go against the wishes of the local contingent of parents will never be elected. We have massive email lists and phone networks. This year, next year, any politician who refuses to work towards banning assault weapons will not get re-elected. In my view.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 28, 2013 at 01:04 AM
PTA Mom - I have kids in 2nd, 6th, 10th and a HS senior, so I am as interested in this as you are. I am also a gun owner & shooter who knows more about guns than most of those on meet supporting new gun restrictions. BELIEVE ME, if I thought banning and collecting black rifles would make a difference, I would support it and consider turning in my own. But it won't and I worry that by passing these gun-focused solutions we are taking our eyes off the more important but more difficult problems - what is making our boys and young me do this and how can we identify them before they even hatch a plan for a massacre. Politicians are using a gun ban and/or magazine limit as check-list items to satisfy voters who are demanding such actions, irrespective of how efficacious they might be. If you think banning black rifles is the answer, then do youself and your kids a favor and look up the details of the rampage shootings at Virginia Tech, Tucson (Giffords), Oikos University, the Amish School, Hartford Distributors and even Columbine. In all but Columbine, there were no black rifles involved. In fact, at Oikos, the shooter used 10-round magazines compliant with California's existing magazine capacity restrictions. An AW ban with confiscation would have done nothing to prevent these massacres. An at Columbine, the two weapons that did the most destructions were a ban-compliant pistol & a 30+ year old double barreled shotgun that was reloaded over 20 times. (continued)
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 28, 2013 at 01:12 AM
What I fear is that the rush to blame the guns let's our politicians and ourselves off easy as it removes the urgency to look at the societal influences that create these sociopaths as well as looking at the deficiencies in our mental health checks and balances. Targeting the guns is easy, targeting the root causes is difficult, takes time and requires our society to admit to some things we might all prefer to ignore. PTA Mom, what happens if we pass all of the most severe restrictions, take all the black rifles and 7+ round magazines out of law-abiding citizens' homes and we have another horrific rampage shooting? What are we going to do then? How will we live with ourselves if we know that we passed gun bans that have not proven effective anywhere because it was "easy" or expedient. Put another way, will you work just as hard to vote any politician who voted for such bans if such bans prove to be an utter failure in preventing the next rampage shooting? My wife is a school mother and ran the PTA for a PK-12 private school last year. I know first hand how effective these organizations can be. I just advise that you think harder about your threats to politicians because the restrictions you are advocating have not proven to be effective anywhere they are in force. If they worked, Chicago, LA/Compton/Stockton/Watts, Phili, DC, etc would see the lowest gun violence in the USA and we know they do not. You are a smart woman, think about this before threatening.
PTA Mom January 28, 2013 at 02:11 PM
You conveniently left Newtown off the list of tragedies. If we had a ban, Newtown could have been avoided. Anyways, wasn't looking for a debate. I found there is no discussion possible with gun people. This was more of a courtesy call to let you know the tide has turned and as Phase I, these weapons will be banned. The legislators will vote this in or parents will vote them out. In Phase II, owning these weapons will be illegal. You will have to turn them in.
Bill January 28, 2013 at 03:05 PM
Many unanswered questions regarding Sandy Hook. Who were the 2 men being chased into the woods? If they weren't guilty, why were they running? The car, reported to be Adam Lanza's was traced to a felon drug dealer in Norwalk. An eyewitness, which you can see on youtube, said that a man was handcuffed and put into the front seat of a police car. Who was this guy? A boy, of around 9, said another man was handcuffed, and placed prone on the pavement by the firehouse. Who was this guy? All initial reports said that, two or four handguns were found inside the school, while the bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of the car. How could this be? But an aerial shot shows confirms initial reports with the police removing the rifle from the trunk. Was this a gun grabbing operation, similar to 'Fast and Furious'? The government did it once, why wouldn't they do it again? Many of these tragic shootings are suspicious. Unfortunately, we no longer have reporters, only lap dogs for the government media complex. Google operation Northwoods.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 28, 2013 at 03:27 PM
Clearly you are I persuadable so I will end my conversation with you here. Remember, gun owners vote too and there are more of them with me in the Capitol building as I type this then there are gun control supporters.
Pauldz January 28, 2013 at 07:15 PM
PTA Mom, you conveniently forget that Adam Lanza had at least three other non-assualt weapons with him. In fact, he had so many guns he couldn't physically carry all of them into the school. To say an assault weapon ban would have prevented Sandy Hook is wrong and naive.
PTA Mom January 29, 2013 at 04:22 PM
What is wrong with pro gun people???????? Read this headline story from Yahoo today. http://news.yahoo.com/newtown-parents-urge-enforcement-gun-laws-171101155.html The father of a 6 year old Newtown victim was heckled by pro gun people because he called for tougher penalties for those who break gun laws. He's the father of a dead kid for Christ sakes! What the f*** is wrong with you gun people. He's the father of a dead kid and he gets jeered at by the pro gun crowd!!!
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 29, 2013 at 05:45 PM
PTA Mom - maybe you should not base you claims on a selective point in an article. I WAS in the Capitol from 8:30 am to just after 11pm when I was able to give my testimony. I listened to EVERY WORD spoken by EVERY speaker. Mr. Heslin's testimony was tragic and was one of two times my eyes well during the proceedings (Mrs. Planer was equally moving). But Mr. Nelson started to ramble after about ten minutes and started to call for weapons confiscation and saying things that were factually incorrect. He was heckled at a point where he made an inflammatory statement that was beyond factually untrue, it was deflamatory to every law-abiding gun owners. The "heckling" was a collective moan with some whispering "no". There was nothing disrespectful about that reaction. Mr. Helsin is entitled to his grief but he is not entitled to his own facts about guns nor gun owners. But PTA Mom, why did you highlight Heslin without also noting Mr. Mattioli's comments call for no more fun laws and enforcement of those on the books? To my ear, Mattioli was far more courageous because he was resisting the knee-jerk blaming of the guns and focused in our poor enforcement of laws, mental health issues, etc. mattioli's testimony was followed by raucous applause by the same folks you accuse of belittling Heslin. I guess Mom, that would not have supported your narrative of "gun people" being "f***ing" Neanderthals. Maybe you should enlighten yourself & have spent 14 hours there as I did.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 29, 2013 at 06:11 PM
BTW, he was not heckled during his calls for tougher penalties for law breakers. Many of use AGREE with that perspective.
PTA Mom January 29, 2013 at 07:28 PM
Here's just a good rule in life. When you find yourself defending the people heckling a man who just lost his son... well... it's time to go outside and get some fresh air. You go on to say he rambled for 10 minutes. Was that inconvenient for you? Aw. But do you think it might possibly be inconvenient for him to bury his son? I think his inconvenience will last about 50 more years. But by all means, if he burdened you by rambling for 10 minutes, well gee, that clearly should have never happened. Maybe you could start an online petition to have him apologize for taking up 10 minutes of everyone's time.
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 29, 2013 at 07:48 PM
Did you read what I typed or what you wanted to read? I said I cried at his words, I have a child not too much older than his son. I said, he started to ramble after ten minutes, not that he rambled for ten minutes. Save me the sanctimony, you have no idea of who I have lost or who I have buried in my life. You have no idea of the sense of loss that I might feel about this or other situations from the past. I wept when Mrs. Pozner spoke as well even though there is nothing about her solution with which I can agree. As a aren't of four, I grieved with her for her loss. That is what Adults do. I have tried to be civil with you but clealry you are woman so uneducated on such matters as to be unworthy of engagement. You have you views and you will lie before you can be shaken from them. Maybe you should show up for such testimony and absorb the breadth of it. Hear the stories of those who have lost loved ones to gun violence and that was their catalys for arming themselve - "Never again" was said more rhan once. Stop reading headlines on Yahoo and act as if you have a clue. People like you are why this discussion becomes a fight rather than a discussion.
PTA Mom January 29, 2013 at 09:32 PM
Here, I'll repost without mentioning 10 minutes: ------------------------------------------------------- Here's just a good rule in life. When you find yourself defending the people heckling a man who just lost his son... well... it's time to go outside and get some fresh air. You go on to say he rambled. Was that inconvenient for you? Aw. But do you think it might possibly be inconvenient for him to bury his son? I think his inconvenience will last about 50 more years. But by all means, if he burdened you by rambling, well gee, that clearly should have never happened. Maybe you could start an online petition to have him apologize for taking up everyone's time. -------------------------------------------------- Does that make a world of difference to you? You are complaining that a man who just lost his precious son is rambling. Take a step back and ask yourself what kind of person would complain about such a thing. You would. This is who you are. But is it who you want to be?
PTA Mom2 January 29, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Here, I'll repost without mentioning 10 minutes: ------------------------------------------------------- Here's just a good rule in life. When you find yourself defending the people heckling a man who just lost his son... well... it's time to go outside and get some fresh air. You go on to say he rambled. Was that inconvenient for you? Aw. But do you think it might possibly be inconvenient for him to bury his son? I think his inconvenience will last about 50 more years. But by all means, if he burdened you by rambling, well gee, that clearly should have never happened. Maybe you could start an online petition to have him apologize for taking up everyone's time. -------------------------------------------------- Does that make a world of difference to you? You are complaining that a man who just lost his precious son is rambling. Take a step back and ask yourself what kind of person would complain about such a thing. You would. This is who you are. But is it who you want to be?
Concerned Parent & Gun Owner January 31, 2013 at 11:08 AM
PTA Mom, Now that this story has been debunked as poor reporting and then intentional video manipulation of the actual video record, are you going to retract your ad hominem attacks here?

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